Curse

Mordakai · Aug 14, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Because I'm not stupid.

You're playing a game that, in your words, is "past dead."

If that's not stupid, I don't know what is.

Malice Black · Aug 14, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

I like talking with my guildies, sue me

Prof Of Black · Aug 14, 2007, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by KillaKarl

dont worry man your safe, gaile said they only looking for ppl who either duped, or bought them at ridiculously low prices, therefore if you bought at 100k+40e your fine

I bought 6 of them at 50e each.

I'm banned now.

~Prof.

kooomar · Aug 14, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I like talking with my guildies, sue me

It appears that you like to do more than that. You're "making a killing" in the market, posting on forums about it, AND insulting others. It seems to me that you are pretty integrated into the game, yet are standing on a pedestal about how the people that are trying to help others are wrong.

Again, this wasn't meant to be a thread about hurting me, or the other rich people, or anything like that. Its 2 MAJOR things, 1 is a moral the other is financial. Morally, you shouldn't do this, but as I realize that most people have childish beliefs and lack morals about buying duped items and "exploiting the exploited" and who are "making a killing" will never change their beliefs. I understand that, the game IS rated T for teen, and when I was a teen, I probably woulda tried to make a killing too. Immaturity happens.

But for the second thing, the financial issue, people should be more concerned about this, IMO. It goes beyond reducing the prices of Arms, it reduces the price of everything. And if that happens for too long, everything will be worthless. Sue, there will be people that will say "awesome, I can get a crystalline for 20k now" Yeah, that is awesome until you realize you and the other 100 people with the same mentality are the only ones still playing.

The market, though some people care not about it, is what actually keeps this game running. There are people that are still going through the game for the first time, and thats 100% understandable, but for the most part, people LOVE getting rare items, and titles, armors etc. If you make all these fun things to achieve worthless, everyone will lose interest, and leave.

Some people say things like the game is dead already, and the market is already crashed, so crash it more. WOW. awesome approach, as opposed to trying to take some initiative and fix something, youre TRYING to hurt it worse. I agree, GW was going downhill after factions, but IMO I believe it has gotten much better lately, and hope that GW:EN will make it even better. I still have some faith left in this game, and I know alot of others do. If you don't want to try to help it stay alive, don't, but don't put down the people that are.

Jetdoc · Aug 14, 2007, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

No risk, no profit.

There's a difference between (1) risking in game gold/items to earn an in game profit and (2) risking real life dollars to earn an in game profit.

Personally, I have absolutely no inclination to risk my ability to play the game (and therefore flush $100+ down the toilet) for something as silly as in game wealth.

Malice Black · Aug 14, 2007, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Prof Of Black

I bought 6 of them at 50e each.

I'm banned now.

~Prof.

I've bought and sold more then that in the last hour, my account is still fully functional. I've bought for wayyyy less then 50e..try 50k people are panicing because of this ban crap.

Keep going at support.

Mohnzh · Aug 14, 2007, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Yah an annoucement on log in screen warning of purchasing amrbraces would be nice.

I am amazed people are hurrying to make a few hundred platinum and risk losing their accounts permanently.

I would not expect there to ever be an announcement about all this. Not because of some cover up or anything like that, but because of how few people this whole thing affected. First, the percentage of players who know anything about AoTs or are involved in high end trading is incredibly small. So is the percentages of players that read forums. Only A-Net knows exactly what percentage this affected. If it affected a majority of the community, or even a quarter of it, I would expect an announcement because they know that we would expect one. As big of a deal as it may seem on the forums and in certain circles, it might be so inconsequential to the GW world as a whole that making some announcement would be irresponsible on A-Nets part. It would cause scare, may result in a flood of frightened emails of people wanting to know if when they did this and this will result in a ban. I was even concerned because a buddy of mine and I frequently give stuff to each other. The most expensive thing I ever gave him was a rune of sup vigor, and him to me was a rune of sup death magic. After getting a better understanding of how the ban worked, I'm not concerned in the least. But without seeing all the info by Gaile Gray I would have been worried. An announcement might set off a panic, and also might induce a lot of sales. The fact that this was not limitted to AoT is also a reason no announcement will be made. The fact is that AoT was not the scam but was what brought the whole scam into the light. It was clearly not the only thing that was duped. If they wanted to be able to stop the movement of all duped items, the only "reasonable" thing would be to disable trade, which is unreasonable to the utmost degree. The percentage of items floating around that are duped is miniscule. I agree, let the market settle back down. Buying low right now may look suspicious and no one knows if further bans will take place, and if so what they will be based on. But as Plato said in reference to his kidney stone: "This too shall pass."

SumXone · Aug 14, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

heck, how should I know what's a ridiculous low price for any item in the game??? am I supposed to keep track of the stupid game economy? read trade forums? lurk the trade channel for hours? and even then, where does anet say what an item should cost? i read the manual, there are no FREAKIN' PRICE LISTS IN THERE!

maybe i just bought the game, someone in ascalon offers me 250 ominous "armbraces" for 200 gold. how should I ever know that buying them would get me banned? for all I know it's just a stack of funny armbraces, could be worthless like charr-carvings...

maybe i locked on after 2 month of abstinence. "so the price of armbraces dropped alot, let's buy 20 of them for 50k to fit out my heroes...". so what now? I get banned? FOR WHAT???

Anet screwed up, again. and now they want to ban people who bought some items for less money than someone deems right?

are there some info's anybody should know? PUT IT ON THE LOGIN SCREEN!

If I would get banned for buying armbraces, I would sue to get my money back. If I have law-insurance, it doesn't even cost me anything (but anet, hehe)

kooomar · Aug 14, 2007, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Ignorance can never be used as an excuse, in real life or this game.

I drove down a street where the roadblocks were moved aside once. I got a ticket, cause a cop was waiting around the corner. I HONESTLY didn't know that was a ticketable offense, but, sure enough I got one. It IS your own duty to know what's going on.

SumXone · Aug 14, 2007, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by kooomar

Ignorance can never be used as an excuse, in real life or this game.

I drove down a street where the roadblocks were moved aside once. I got a ticket, cause a cop was waiting around the corner. I HONESTLY didn't know that was a ticketable offense, but, sure enough I got one. It IS your own duty to know what's going on.

no it is not.
and pls never compare a game to real life, thats just... sad.
on the road, there are clear rules how to drive, where to drive and how fast to drive. they make you take a test. even in america. when i have to drive slow, there is a sign that tells me so. in gw there are no signs telling me how much to pay for what.

Zeek Aran · Aug 14, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

SumXone, it's a bit off-topic, but related to one of your posts above:

Charr carvings are not worthless.

If Malice Black is truthful about his buying ways, then I don't think you can get banned.

Loviatar · Aug 14, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by kooomar

It goes beyond reducing the prices of Arms, it reduces the price of everything. And if that happens for too long, everything will be worthless. Sue, there will be people that will say "awesome, I can get a crystalline for 20k now" Yeah, that is awesome until you realize you and the other 100 people with the same mentality are the only ones still playing.

and you and a very few others have the mentality that says if eveybody is able to afford it and enjoy it..............it is worthless

GW is like a pyramid

remove the tiny tip and how does that affect the base?

You can't see me · Aug 14, 2007, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I'm buying and selling them like hotcakes. Easy money.

No risk, no profit.

Ban? perhaps

Do I care? nah, game is past dead anyway.

I didn't know that someone could fit so many ignorant flaws into such small sentances. You sir, astound me.

First off, Your no risk no profit saying is deeply in the wrong. There is nowhere in the game where you must risk your account to get a profit. I make a bloody good profit and I don't put my account on the line for it. It's called honest money. If you want to be the one with red hands when Arenanet turns up our palms, that's your business, but I'd ask that you do NOT post it to set an example for everyone else. To even quote Gaile Grey, the Arenanet Rep that I'm sure you read up on her post "Why risk your account for a stolen TV? It's not worth it."

Secondly, If you don't care if you're banned, I wouldn't be arguing your point or giving your moneymaking advice to anyone on this post that doesn't want to be. GW:EN is coming out, GW2 will be out next year, I still haven't accomplished all I want to accomplish, so I and others will keep playing, and keep our healthy fear of the shovel Arenanet holds over our ant-like toons.

Third, If the game is dead, why are you still playing it? I hardly beleive it's "Dead" as I have played many MoMRPG's online and have seen games that recovered from far worse things than this. You run away too easily. As for your deer and headlights example, I'm pretty sure you're not the one to talk about this sort of metaphor.

Last of all, that signiture under your posts shouldn't be taken as lightly as to flaunt your uncaringness to the rest of us. Maybe you should weigh it again for the sake of everyone that sees it as an example to follow. For god's sake, stop throwing it around like a toy in front of everyone. It's not something to be taken lightly. When I see a Guru mod flaunting the example to exploit the exploited at risk of banning, I question how he got his status -.-

Again, you astound me.

SpotJorge · Aug 14, 2007, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Well this situation went out of control but seems its starting to get solved, my question is simple

where is writen in gw manual that every player should be registered in guru and read this forum to know whats happening .... i sujest to all guild leaders to advise theyr players about this because many of them dont even have a clue of what is happening .... and you must admit thats very tempating to anyone that dont know nothing about this to buy any stuff at good price

and Gaylle why isnt in GW login screen a message alerting players for this situation like anet did with buy gold ???

is it guru forum (that i like) that owns Guild Wars or is ANET ?

Enko · Aug 14, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Unless every player knew what armbraces were used for (there's quite a few who don't ie prophecies/factions players and those who haven't been to DoA), I can understand why someone would buy them without knowing that there seemed to be an odd amount. If I had seen someone selling something for 100k+60 ectos in one district and then noticed someone else selling the same thing for only 50k-30 ectos, I'd probably buy it for cheap and try to resell it. For the casual players who don't spend time on the forums or a lot of time watching prices in the game, it would just seem like a good deal.

Myself, I knew something was up when offers for my mini pets went from the normal 1000 ectos and started climbing to 1750 ectos and then stacks of armbraces.

I also saw something was wierd since when I'm in trading mode, I have characters in Kamadan, Lion's Arch, and Ascalon to sell things and watch for deals.

Not many people have extreme high end items like a mini Kanaxai so I wouldn't expect the average player that just plays for fun on his own to know how hard armbraces are to attain normally. Not many people will just sit in town for 10 hours trading and notice the increase in armbraces. Unless these players read Guru, its unlikely that they would've know something was up. Heck, even GWO didn't get the news of it until someone on the Guru irc channel went and said something in the GWO irc channel.

NeHoMaR · Aug 15, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by SpotJorge

and Gaylle why isnt in GW login screen a message alerting players for this situation like anet did with buy gold ???

Because ArenaNet is NOT banning people for buy armbraces. And Prof Of Black is lying or was banned for another reason. Plain and simple. As simple as no one will sell you a cheap armbrace ever, forget about it, just lies and spam. Malice Black is lying too, some people have that necessity of lie all the time.

You can't see me · Aug 15, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by SpotJorge

Well this situation went out of control but seems its starting to get solved, my question is simple

where is writen in gw manual that every player should be registered in guru and read this forum to know whats happening .... i sujest to all guild leaders to advise theyr players about this because many of them dont even have a clue of what is happening .... and you must admit thats very tempating to anyone that dont know nothing about this to buy any stuff at good price

and Gaylle why isnt in GW login screen a message alerting players for this situation like anet did with buy gold ???

is it guru forum (that i like) that owns Guild Wars or is ANET ?

It may not be a rule, but it's still your duty to be informed of policies, item duping and illicit item trade being one of them. The more informed you are, the better defense you have against your account being banned.

While it may not be a rule, it's still implied, just as knowing the law as not to violate it, or traffic items you may not know are stolen is in real life.

Malice Black · Aug 15, 2007, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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